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	<title>Comments on: What makes an effective MP?</title>
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		<title>By: Oliver Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-113</guid>
		<description>I did not envisage a single Parliament man (which is not my terminology), nor do I suggest that there is any reason for a constituency to go out of its way to elect one over a more 'proactive' member of the legislature.  Merely, they are the result of a system in which two-thirds of seats are 'safe'.

There may be two reasons that one might give for not using Alan Williams as the archetypal Parliament man.  First, he is one of the few voices that still speaks out against the debacle of devolution, and he does so with consistency and clarity such that I may be tempted to put him in the 'policy advocate' section of the 'maverick' pile.  Second, he's really only so active in committees because he's already done all the front bench malarkey; he's spent 15 years on government and opposition front benches, so that might be considered a function of his age, rather than personality.

That said, I can't think of one that exactly fits the bill, which is a problem of their species.  I take the categorisation from Donald Searing's study of political roles under the Westminster model, which is the standard in political science and which found that, in 1972-3, 10% of backbenchers were 'Parliament men' as I have described them (and their lack of utility).  That idea, that there are 65 MPs that concern themselves primarily with work that is better done by canteen staff, does chill my perception of our democracy.  Maybe someone that doesn't notice only people that actualy &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; things could point out a few pieces of deadwood floating on the surface of the parliamentary sea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not envisage a single Parliament man (which is not my terminology), nor do I suggest that there is any reason for a constituency to go out of its way to elect one over a more &#8216;proactive&#8217; member of the legislature.  Merely, they are the result of a system in which two-thirds of seats are &#8217;safe&#8217;.</p>
<p>There may be two reasons that one might give for not using Alan Williams as the archetypal Parliament man.  First, he is one of the few voices that still speaks out against the debacle of devolution, and he does so with consistency and clarity such that I may be tempted to put him in the &#8216;policy advocate&#8217; section of the &#8216;maverick&#8217; pile.  Second, he&#8217;s really only so active in committees because he&#8217;s already done all the front bench malarkey; he&#8217;s spent 15 years on government and opposition front benches, so that might be considered a function of his age, rather than personality.</p>
<p>That said, I can&#8217;t think of one that exactly fits the bill, which is a problem of their species.  I take the categorisation from Donald Searing&#8217;s study of political roles under the Westminster model, which is the standard in political science and which found that, in 1972-3, 10% of backbenchers were &#8216;Parliament men&#8217; as I have described them (and their lack of utility).  That idea, that there are 65 MPs that concern themselves primarily with work that is better done by canteen staff, does chill my perception of our democracy.  Maybe someone that doesn&#8217;t notice only people that actualy <i>do</i> things could point out a few pieces of deadwood floating on the surface of the parliamentary sea!</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Davenport</title>
		<link>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Davenport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-112</guid>
		<description>Oliver, I do agree that many members become engrossed in the arcane procedures that the House is run by but, it is not really a defining characteristic of more than 1 or 2 current members. In fact government whips have a tendency to put members with no interest in a particular issue onto the standing committee for bills relating to that area; it prevents the debate from being prolonged!

I assume you are thinking of the current Father of the House (Alun Williams) when you gave your description of 'The Parliament man'? He does offer a good example of such creatures but, I still find it hard to believe a single constituency from any party would select a man/woman who made it clear their passion was the codification of conventions within the Houses of Parliament.

Stuart, your description of an ideal MP sounds very sensible to me. I would like my representative to augment his willingness to rebel over local issues with an fairly open mind when it came to national issues though. In conclusion, any MP who votes against his party line should not do so lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver, I do agree that many members become engrossed in the arcane procedures that the House is run by but, it is not really a defining characteristic of more than 1 or 2 current members. In fact government whips have a tendency to put members with no interest in a particular issue onto the standing committee for bills relating to that area; it prevents the debate from being prolonged!</p>
<p>I assume you are thinking of the current Father of the House (Alun Williams) when you gave your description of &#8216;The Parliament man&#8217;? He does offer a good example of such creatures but, I still find it hard to believe a single constituency from any party would select a man/woman who made it clear their passion was the codification of conventions within the Houses of Parliament.</p>
<p>Stuart, your description of an ideal MP sounds very sensible to me. I would like my representative to augment his willingness to rebel over local issues with an fairly open mind when it came to national issues though. In conclusion, any MP who votes against his party line should not do so lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Barfield</title>
		<link>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Barfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-111</guid>
		<description>Of course ideally we would have a party which we backed 100% of the time, but the truth is that no such political party would be feasible.  If this were the case, then the choice would be a ‘Whip’s friend’ every time.  This would be good for the party, who would always rely on the support of their back benches.

However, there are always occasions when you disagree with the party, and in such situations, I would want my MP to rebel against the party.  This of course assumes general support in his constituency.  I take Oliver Cooper’s point about splitting up the ‘Mavericks’, and obviously refer to those who represent the views of their constituents here.  

I would also say that the ‘back benchers’ can act as a form of regulation on the party, and can stick to the traditional party beliefs.  So surely they are useful in this sense in ensuring that a leader doesn’t try to move his party too much from the electorate. 

So, I would want a politician who is mainly a ‘Whip’s friend’, but on major issues which affect his district to represent them rather than just agree with his party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course ideally we would have a party which we backed 100% of the time, but the truth is that no such political party would be feasible.  If this were the case, then the choice would be a ‘Whip’s friend’ every time.  This would be good for the party, who would always rely on the support of their back benches.</p>
<p>However, there are always occasions when you disagree with the party, and in such situations, I would want my MP to rebel against the party.  This of course assumes general support in his constituency.  I take Oliver Cooper’s point about splitting up the ‘Mavericks’, and obviously refer to those who represent the views of their constituents here.  </p>
<p>I would also say that the ‘back benchers’ can act as a form of regulation on the party, and can stick to the traditional party beliefs.  So surely they are useful in this sense in ensuring that a leader doesn’t try to move his party too much from the electorate. </p>
<p>So, I would want a politician who is mainly a ‘Whip’s friend’, but on major issues which affect his district to represent them rather than just agree with his party.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-109</guid>
		<description>Your category of 'maverick' is invariably going to be a wide-ranging one.  Some 'mavericks' will represent their constituents' interests to the end of the Earth, no what matter the party platform is; I'd like to think that my former MP, Richard Page, fell into this group.  Others will continue to argue the toss on a particular policy area that appeals to them; Keith Vaz's obsession with race relations and Bob Spink's campaign to bring back the gallows come to mind.  Finally, you have the true mavericks, who argue for the sake of arguing, and love the attention that such argument brings; these are the Skinners and the Wintertons of the world.

There is one last caste into which MPs can fall that you have overlooked:

&lt;b&gt;The Parliament man:&lt;/b&gt; A true Parliament man does the nitty-gritty work that facilitates the workings of the House, and of Parliament as a whole.  Some of these tasks are vital, such as sitting on select and standing committees, without which, neither the executive nor the legislature could be properly scrutinised.  Other tasks contribute nothing to the general well-being of either constituency or country, but help give the individual MP the feeling that, by setting the House of Commons canteen menu, have helped the abstraction of democracy.  These are the people of which you've never heard, and are never likely to want on your side, unless you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; don't like chicken kiev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your category of &#8216;maverick&#8217; is invariably going to be a wide-ranging one.  Some &#8216;mavericks&#8217; will represent their constituents&#8217; interests to the end of the Earth, no what matter the party platform is; I&#8217;d like to think that my former MP, Richard Page, fell into this group.  Others will continue to argue the toss on a particular policy area that appeals to them; Keith Vaz&#8217;s obsession with race relations and Bob Spink&#8217;s campaign to bring back the gallows come to mind.  Finally, you have the true mavericks, who argue for the sake of arguing, and love the attention that such argument brings; these are the Skinners and the Wintertons of the world.</p>
<p>There is one last caste into which MPs can fall that you have overlooked:</p>
<p><b>The Parliament man:</b> A true Parliament man does the nitty-gritty work that facilitates the workings of the House, and of Parliament as a whole.  Some of these tasks are vital, such as sitting on select and standing committees, without which, neither the executive nor the legislature could be properly scrutinised.  Other tasks contribute nothing to the general well-being of either constituency or country, but help give the individual MP the feeling that, by setting the House of Commons canteen menu, have helped the abstraction of democracy.  These are the people of which you&#8217;ve never heard, and are never likely to want on your side, unless you <i>really</i> don&#8217;t like chicken kiev.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Davenport</title>
		<link>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Davenport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-108</guid>
		<description>I used the examples of Winterton and Skinner because they give the impression of occasionally playing up to their credentials as political "bad boys". Sometimes, and this is very much open to debate, they may vote on an issue just to be plain stubborn. 

You make it clear that you would like to have an MP with attributes from all of my categories. Is that possible? Can a careerist really have an open mind over issues when he/she always has a clear eye on the ministerial limo?

There is also the other factor of the nature of the particular seat. Can MPs in marginal seats afford to tow the party line when it is unpopular? This is brought sharply into focus when the national issue has a local bearing on the constituency being represented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used the examples of Winterton and Skinner because they give the impression of occasionally playing up to their credentials as political &#8220;bad boys&#8221;. Sometimes, and this is very much open to debate, they may vote on an issue just to be plain stubborn. </p>
<p>You make it clear that you would like to have an MP with attributes from all of my categories. Is that possible? Can a careerist really have an open mind over issues when he/she always has a clear eye on the ministerial limo?</p>
<p>There is also the other factor of the nature of the particular seat. Can MPs in marginal seats afford to tow the party line when it is unpopular? This is brought sharply into focus when the national issue has a local bearing on the constituency being represented.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.uclconservatives.co.uk/2007/01/19/what-makes-an-effective-mp/#comment-107</guid>
		<description>It is a hard choice; I want an MP that follows/supports the Party whilst still being his own man and thinking of his constituents. It is also nice, but not that important, to have a “Careerist” as he/she may put your constituency on the map.

I would hope though for an MP who supports the Party, but would put his constituents first; even if that is against the Party line and considered “Maverick”. 

I do think you have summed up the MP’s categories well Stuart overall although I am not so sure about the title Maverick; by listing Skinner and Winterton as the examples I think it diminishes it when an MP does actually vote for what he believes to be right. The Party may think he/she is a maverick, but is it fair for us to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a hard choice; I want an MP that follows/supports the Party whilst still being his own man and thinking of his constituents. It is also nice, but not that important, to have a “Careerist” as he/she may put your constituency on the map.</p>
<p>I would hope though for an MP who supports the Party, but would put his constituents first; even if that is against the Party line and considered “Maverick”. </p>
<p>I do think you have summed up the MP’s categories well Stuart overall although I am not so sure about the title Maverick; by listing Skinner and Winterton as the examples I think it diminishes it when an MP does actually vote for what he believes to be right. The Party may think he/she is a maverick, but is it fair for us to?</p>
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