//An Interview with Zuzanna Mroz

An Interview with Zuzanna Mroz

Zuzanna is nothing short a political firebrand. At just 19 years old she has ruffled the feathers of the left and dared to tread where many feared not to. I first became aware of Zuzanna through the Day for Freedom demonstration, in which she had the opportunity as an independent journalist to film the speeches of high-calibre reactionaries such as Raheem Kassam, Sargon of Akkad, and -the ever contentious- Tommy Robinson. By writing this article I am, without a doubt, likely to be subjected to the abuse that Zuzanna has become accustomed to receiving daily. Whether you defend the figures that she interviews or not, it is nevertheless essential that we promote right-wing thought on campus- and to give a voice to those prepared to put themselves in the line of fire in pursuit of the truth. Polemic on both the right and the left, Zuzanna gives a voice to personalities from across the political right.

A few months ago, I contacted Zuzanna, searching for a participant to appear on the BBC to defend Donald Trump’s visit to the UK. Appealing to her vast audience, she kindly directed me towards somebody who would be willing to help me with this project. For my trouble, I was instantly bombarded with a smattering of criticism and threats. Self-described “anti-fascist”, Mike Stuchbery (graciously willing to “write for $ or travel”), lectured me for being the ‘naughty boy’ I am. According to him, I had appealed to a girl linked to “fascist groups” and would be wise to do some vetting in the future. North London Antifa were even gracious enough to leave a calling card. At the time, I had been planning to write a series of articles on right-wing figures in campus politics. Normally, I might not have considered this interview; but on the back of a firestorm of increasingly grandiose accusations, I took it upon myself to do the journalism that the left had neglected to do themselves. I sat down with Zuzanna one evening and was shocked to find a girl remarkably distinct from the “fascist” that had been described to me. Polite, highly educated and driven; Zuzanna discussed her motivations, political beliefs and plans for the future.

Zuzanna, thank you very much for sitting down with me. Could you tell me what first attracted you to politics?

ZWM: Growing up, every family gathering was filled with forlorn recollections of the hardships my relatives endured during the communist regime in Poland. Stories about the scarcity of basic resources, abhorrent poverty, and the lack of free press, free speech, and free enterprise accompanied every conversation… In her stories, my grandma always told me about her father, who had spent 10 years in prison for distributing pro-capitalist pamphlets and for having listened to Radio Free Europe. My grandma has been a dedicated Solidarity movement volunteer, fighting to improve the rights of workers and -in particular- women. Their sacrifices and dedication instilled in me an immense respect for human rights, liberties, and freedom. So, when I began being exposed to -what I consider- a highly worrying and drastic erosion of those rights in the United Kingdom, I saw it as my duty as to respond through my activism and journalism.

But Zuzanna, you’re only young: Why did you feel the need to put yourself in the crossfire for you own beliefs? Would you encourage other students to follow down your path?

ZFM: I feel extremely privileged and lucky to have been able to be at the forefront of the free speech movement in this country. I always felt that it is my duty to oppose those who silence, de-platform, and physically assault individuals fighting for free speech… I believe that if the UK submits to neo-Marxism, a domino effect throughout Europe will follow.

When I first became active on twitter and YouTube, trying to promote free speech, I didn’t kid myself for a moment. After recording the video showing ANTIFA storming the Sargon of Akkad and Yaron Brooks event at KCL, I knew that I would be criticised. I was aware that I would be harassed, reported for hate speech, and threatened with violence. But I had to look myself in the mirror and ask what was more important to me- the knowledge that I have done everything in my power to oppose fascism? Or letting myself give in to the fear of getting punched in the face by extremists? That day, I thought of my grandma. A single mother, raising two children under a communist and authoritarian Poland. She still organized strikes. Lead a worker’s union. Defended workers’ rights. So naturally, I took her as an example, and refused to allow extremists to threaten me. Never let others silence you. If we all chose this path, women would have never gotten the vote, the civil rights movement would have never happened, nor would marriage equality.

But the struggle for free speech does not have to entail a personal sacrifice to the extend I just described…Like the fight for liberties in the past, it can also be done in more subtle ways… It can mean simply standing up for your classmates in university! Bringing new and opposing views to the conversation in classrooms! Stand up for what you believe in and never allow yourself to be humiliated, nor your dignity stripped away. You don’t have to be militant, you can contribute in many ways.

It’s fair to say that you have received a fair amount of abuse online for your involvement in the March for Freedom event and your interviews with figures such as Tommy Robinson and Janusz Korwin-Mikke: How would you describe your own political views? Do they always line up with those of the people you interview?

ZWM: I was invited to attend the Day for Freedom because the organizers believed it was crucial that an independent, objective voice is present to live stream the whole event. I think that in today’s journalism is immensely flawed and lacks objectivity. I realise that objectivity is something extremely difficult to provide, and therefore, I took on this role and focused on live streaming, rather than making carefully edited videos with commentary pushing forward a specific agenda. I have offered to do the same for speakers on the left, and I’m currently in the process of organizing interviews with several prominent voices speaking about social justice. Because I am a live-streamer, I show everything as it is, with all its flaws and imperfections. What I do is give my audience the tools, and information they need to exercise their own careful judgement and reach their own conclusions.

I am a person who is extremely tolerant to people’s differences and will always defend other’s right to free speech, despite disagreeing with them on many issues. I will also go out of my way to show kindness, empathy, understanding, and openness because life taught me that being faithful to those virtues will allow us to build bridges with people with whom we might, otherwise, not be able to influence with our own political views. I believe this approach is extremely lacking in current political discourse. So, I agreed to be interviewed by Tommy and used that opportunity to discuss and promote LGBT rights to his audience. I am fully prepared to do the same on any platform to promote acceptance. The reception was overall immensely positive. I received thousands upon thousands of comments, messages, and emails expressing the positive impact my voice has had on people’s openness and tolerance toward the LGBT community.

Here at the Caerulean, we are composed mostly of traditional conservatives, libertarians and classical liberals. How would you describe your own political affiliations? And are mainstream political parties failing right-wing youth? What are your thoughts on increasing radicalism in politics?

ZWM: I haven’t affiliated myself with any political parties. I worry that doing so would infringe on my objectivity and the extent to which I can criticise them. In fact, I have been critical of all political movements, and I believe that the far-right is just as bad as the far-left. I am a firm believer in the importance of promoting individual liberties and free market capitalism. As soon as any political party infringes on those values I will actively criticise it. It is clear to me that both the far-right and the far-left are about one thing that I hate the most – identity politics! I do, however, think that mainstream parties have failed the right-wing youth. But I would add that I think the youth has been left behind altogether…regardless of political affiliations. Voter turnout among young adults between the ages of 16-24 speaks for itself. I do not, however, believe that far-right parties are the way to go. I reject the idea that we should surrender some rights to gain others. In fact, I believe that a change in the right direction can be achieved by supporting individuals who can carry out a drastic shift in the policies of the mainstream parties. One such individual, in my eyes, is Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Are you working on any new projects? Your activism has taken you to new and exciting places and I’m sure some of our viewers will want to follow your rise intensely!

ZWM: Currently, I am dedicating an immense amount of effort into growing as a journalist and learning to provide the most professional, honest, and holistic depiction of important political events happening in the UK. One way of achieving that is through my YouTube channel, but also through working on Project 1984, which I co-founded to promote free speech and exchange of ideas to a larger number of diverse audience.

I also take every opportunity to learn and share the message of liberty and of free speech. I’m writing my first article for the Spectator about those very values. I will be covering the anti-Trump protest to better understand the position of his opposers and talking to individuals who support him to see two perspectives which I can then share with my audience.


The Caerulean would like to thank Zuzanna Mroz for her time and ask you, the reader, for your take on Ms. Mroz in the comments. To hear more from Zuzanna, follow her on Twitter: @OpinionatedEuro.

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This article is part of a series on right-wing campus figures. The Caerulean does not endorse the views of any of those interviewed. We represent a diverse group of political opinion. As such, our interviews encompass a wide spectrum of ideas.